Wednesday, October 3, 2012

New Chaos Codex Rules QnA

I was able to get a hold of the new codex, if anyone has any questions about it ill answer them this morning. *Im not posting rules pages, please buy the codex. This is just a discussion.

57 comments:

David Robinson said...

I haven't played 5th yet and wanted to know how the Nurgle marked units look in this codex. I have a small collection of bare models I wanted to make into a showcase army using Nurgle, but if they are not a playable choice I may just stay away from 6th. Thanks in advance!

lil will said...

Nurgle marked marines are pretty good. Plague marines are 120 for 5 and then 24 pts per model for up to to 15 more. up to two can replace their weapons with either two plasma guns, 2 plasma pistols, 2 meltaguns or 2 flamers. They carry plague knives so they wound on for no matter the toughnes. And you need a lord with the mark of nurgle to unlock plagues as troops. But yea they are pretty good. Typhus makes cultists zombiesfor free.

lil will said...

And you cn give the mark to obiterators so they can have that Toughness 5

Barjack said...

Has Typhus and Ahirman stat lines changed?

Is Kharn's Ax actually an ax or does it have a special rule to make it not super slow?

For aspiring champions when it says ranged and melee weapons what can they take?

lil will said...

Typhus is kinda the same. Hes 230 now but hes ws 6(last codex he was 5 i think) he has an ap2 st4 large blast attack he can do once per game called the destroyer hive. Ahriman is sooo much better now. Has access to Biomancy pyromancy, telepathy, and tzeench diciplines. Mastery level 4. Can strikes at his initiative has rage furious charge and hatred, also a2+ deny the witch. Ithink rage is +2 strength so that plus his axe would give him str 8 on the charge!

loyce8869 said...

I was wondering if chosen could be upgraded to have terminator armour? If so does Abaddon still make them troops?

lil will said...

The chosen and the terminators are 2 seperate choices. From what im reading abaddon only makes chosen troops. So no abaddon-wing.

artisticxmurder said...

What special rules/abilities does the Heldrake have, it was supposed to be amazing at killing fliers but after the WD battle report and most recent rumors it doesn't seem to have anything making it out to be a flyer god.

lil will said...

Honestly, the heldrake is ok. It has a str 7 vector strike but thats it. you can upgrade hades autocannon to a baleflamer for free but thats it. Just 170 points flat. plus the it will not die and deamon forge and it has the daemon special rules.

Ian Roy said...

Whats the deal with thousand sons, nowadays? Let me elaborate...

In the last codex, they have nearly no options, were 23pts a model, the sorceror was minimum 60pts, no special/heavy weapons, etc. Do they have any options nowadays? Wargear? What can the aspiring sorceror get? Does he have access to main rulebook powers?

Furthermore, if you have two HQ sorcerors, plus aspiring sorcerors, you're going to end up having multiple models with the same psychic powers. As I read it in the main rulebook, thats now allowed...right? How does the chaos codex address this?

Thousand sons biggest advantage in the last edition was to be able to move forward and still lay down AP3 bolter fire at 24". But now that ANY bolter can move forward and still shoot 1 shot at long range, that "advantage" is pretty much gone. Throw in the new version of slow and purposeful, and thousand sons look like they cant really keep up with other normal, cheaper, chaos marines. So, if you dont mind, sell me on the idea of thousand sons! Whats their deal? In your opinion, is a strictly thousand sons army viable?

Thanks man!

Tylermenz said...

For information about Ahriman, rage is +2 attacks when charging rather than the normal +1, it does not give additional strength.

Do Berzerkers still have a base of 2 attacks, or has this been reduced to 1 with the changes to marks. Also what options and special rules do they now have?

lil will said...

They are one of the few units in this dex that are ld 10. Theyre still 23 points per model but you save 2 pts for the first 5. Its 150 for a sorcerer and 4 marines while in the last dex they were 152. Still have inferno bolts but now you can take an icon that can give all there guns (bolter,bolt pistols) the soul blaze special rules.Still no other options though. The aspiring sorcere has access to biomancy,pyromancy,and telepathy as well as the tzeench powers. mastery level 1.

lil will said...

Tylermenz

sorry i was reffering to kharn. He has rage and his gorechild gives him +1 stregth so thats strength 8 on the charge. The whole last part was reffering to kharn. When i said "Can" i made a typo i meant kharn.

lil will said...

berzerkers have 1 base plus 2 ccw. They have rage,counter attack, furious charge. Chainaxes that are ap4. still upgrade 2 guys to carry plasma pistols. Champ has access to "melee weapons and /or Ranged weapons section from the wargear list".

lil will said...

Kharn is strength 7 on the charge with 7 attacks

Stevemcqueen said...

Can you tell us what's in the artifact table and how warp talons blind effect works

Steve said...

I don't think the Aspiring Sorcerer for the 1k Sons has access to any powers other than Tzeentch, as he has the mark of Tzeentch, which means he has to take at least one power from Tzeentch. Being Mastery Level 1 only allows him one power. So, no powers other than Tzeentch. Where do you see he has access to other disciplines?

lil will said...

Artifact table is a group of unique weapons that characters have access to. Theres one for models with the mark of khorne only that gives:( +2 str ap2, blinded,daemon weapon) a mace with ap4 and can instant kill any model with a failed toughness test. Theres on called the "burning brand of skalthrax" which is the flamer kharn used on skalthrax in his fluff to burn his own guys. thats str4 ap 3 torrent, soul blaze. Another one called the murder sword that gives a targeted character x2 str, ap 1, and gives the instant deat rule. Theres other artifacts but i wont post those.
Any unit within 6 of the warp talons when they deep strike count as having been hit with blinded( in the rulebook)

lil will said...

Steve

it says that chaos psykers have access to the bio,pyro,etc

Stevemcqueen said...

Are there not artifacts that effect the whole army. Do they targets get auto blinded or do they have to test for it.

Jason Gross said...

Who is the Chaos marine on the cover of the book?

I noticed that the page count is the same from that of the last edition. Is it just a color rehash or is there any new fluff content?

Also, any glimpses of new chaos dreadnoughts? I'm hoping that GW releases a kit that more resembles the FW Chaos Decimator.

Steve said...

Chaos Sorcerers are a different unit entry than Aspiring Sorcerers.

lil will said...

The cover is a picture of a blood gorgon chaos marine. Its also the cover of a black library book. There is some new fluff. There is no more dreadnought its called a helbrute now and the only model available is the one from the starter set. But you can still use the forgeworld dreads you dont have to use an actual helbrute! Thats just the new name

lil will said...

the aspiring sorcerers special rule says psyker so im guessing thats what it is

Stevemcqueen said...

Tell us about Huron

Barjack said...

Is the Power Scourge only for the helbrute? Thanks

lil will said...

Hurons artwork is badass. The hamadrya gives him access to lv 1 psyker. He rolls d3 for what discipline he gets (biomancy,pyromancy, and DIVINATION) his claw isnt a power fist anymore and is ap3 +2 str its more of a lightning claw that can punch tanks.
No, defilers also can take a power scourge too

lil will said...

All the characters are more dynamic and all are worth taking if not for some flavor in any fluff army. They really got this codex right.

Stevemcqueen said...

What are his points, I heard he can make d3 guys infiltrate . Is this true

lil will said...

hurons160, and yes its his warlord trait. Every character got pretty good.

Stevemcqueen said...

Now much would mark and icon of slaanesh cost on warp talons

lil will said...

3 pts per. And one thing i noticed is that spawn arent bad anymore.

Stevemcqueen said...

Fnp on warp talons makes me happy. Is there an artificer armor equivalent for chaos lords in the dex, or is termie armor it?

lil will said...

just termie armour from what i see.

D_monik said...

How much is a daemon weapon? Can anyone apart from Lords take them?

lil will said...

Points vary on the d. weapons and they are one per army, very similar to the 3.5 dex. I belive anyone who has access to the wargear can take them.

D_monik said...

Cool. How much are autocannons for Havoks and can they take more than 4?

lil will said...

nope they can only take 4. i wont get into points too much but havocs are cheap, like long fang cheap.autos are 10

Syko said...

Can normal CSM take Flakk missles or just havocs?

lil will said...

just havocs

Syko said...

Can havocs still take 4 special weapons like melta and plamsa?

Can chosen still take 5 special weapons?

What is the max # of chosen per squad?

lil will said...

yes havocs can.

yes chosen can

Max is 10 guys

Ian Logsdon said...

There are only 2 daemon weapons available, one is khorne only and the other is an AP4 mace. The old daemon weapons are gone :( No more god specific weapons.

lil will said...

i said those. And they are in the chaos artifacts section

Ian Logsdon said...

Yeah, wanted the person who asked to be clear on the fact that "daemon weapons" as a purchase option are gone for good, and only 2 unique weapons that aren't the old daemon weapons are in their place. Annoying for fluffy players.

lil will said...

Yea but i mean some of those artifacts are pretty cool! Like its neat that they added in the flamer kharn used on skalathrax

BDS said...

Is it true that the sonic blaster is 10pts? Is it true that the blast master is 18 points?

What other option and cost of sonic marines?

Thanks,

lil will said...

sonic blasters are 3pts per model, blastmaster is 30

With that being said i wont give all the points but 4 noise marines and a champ are cheaper than they are in the current dex. Apart from the champs the sonic marines do get anything else special excetp the feel no pain icon.
i see noise marines being very popular in the not so distant future

BDS said...

Wow....sonic marines will be the new black...

2/3 salvo, ignore cover for 3 pts, etc.

"But, they can't assault after firing!"...oh wait 6th is about weight of fire and they are I5 with FnP and go first in CC anyway vs most things. So this is a non-factor in my eyes for most occurrences.

Been a long time Chaos player and looking forward to Saturday.

Thanks much for info, very appreciated.

lil will said...

No problem BDS!

Stevemcqueen said...

So there is a generic daemon weapon now?

lil will said...

nope just the artifacts and theres only 2 d weapons

Stevemcqueen said...

Can you tell me how many artifacts there are in total?

BDS said...

1 more question:

If you take two marked lords/IC say Nurgle lord and a Slaanesh Lord will that unlock Sonic and PM's as troops? Or must you choose one or the other?

Thanks,

lil will said...

6 artifacts in total one per army.
BDS theres nothing saying you cant.

caboose said...

Little correction Lil, I think. You can take 1 of each artifact, not 1 artifact per army.

lil will said...

Aha caboose your right! sorry about that. It reads: "Only one of each chaos artifact may be taken per army"